Comments on: Tip: When to Overbet the Pot and Shutdown the Action http://www.pokertipsthatpay.com/pokerblog/poker-strategy-tips-advice/tip-when-to-overbet-the-pot-and-shutdown-the-action/ Expert Strategy for Winning Texas Hold em & Other Poker Games Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:06:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jonathan Gelling http://www.pokertipsthatpay.com/pokerblog/poker-strategy-tips-advice/tip-when-to-overbet-the-pot-and-shutdown-the-action/comment-page-1/#comment-63 Jonathan Gelling Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:45:59 +0000 http://www.pokertipsthatpay.com/pokerblog/?p=108#comment-63 Yep, you're probably right about Example 1. I should have made the blinds $25/$50 or $50/$100 and/or a larger pre-flop raise. Still, the main point is that in tournament play, you should often consider shutting down the action in the hand when there are way too many scare cards to play the hand normally. It's still an asynchronous risk/reward ratio, even (especially) if the pot is small. Survival is often more important in a tournament than pushing a marginal advantage in an uncertain situation. It's true that my book makes a point of telling readers, "Don't fear the..." flush draw, flopped set, straight draw, etc. But multi-way pots, on coordinated boards are a bit different. If you have to fear multiple opponents and multiple draws, and you have to effectively lay them odds by betting a small amount with a lot of chips behind, then that is a situation to fear. But you're right, it's probably a bit too much to risk in Example 1 here, but I wanted to choose an extreme example to illustrate the point about asynchronous risk/reward. Yep, you’re probably right about Example 1. I should have made the blinds $25/$50 or $50/$100 and/or a larger pre-flop raise. Still, the main point is that in tournament play, you should often consider shutting down the action in the hand when there are way too many scare cards to play the hand normally. It’s still an asynchronous risk/reward ratio, even (especially) if the pot is small. Survival is often more important in a tournament than pushing a marginal advantage in an uncertain situation.

It’s true that my book makes a point of telling readers, “Don’t fear the…” flush draw, flopped set, straight draw, etc. But multi-way pots, on coordinated boards are a bit different. If you have to fear multiple opponents and multiple draws, and you have to effectively lay them odds by betting a small amount with a lot of chips behind, then that is a situation to fear. But you’re right, it’s probably a bit too much to risk in Example 1 here, but I wanted to choose an extreme example to illustrate the point about asynchronous risk/reward.

]]> By: Aces Rule http://www.pokertipsthatpay.com/pokerblog/poker-strategy-tips-advice/tip-when-to-overbet-the-pot-and-shutdown-the-action/comment-page-1/#comment-62 Aces Rule Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:04:33 +0000 http://www.pokertipsthatpay.com/pokerblog/?p=108#comment-62 Example 1 - I agree the pf raise was too small for this level (15/30) and would prefer the raise in the 250-300 range. You want to spec a limping hand - this is the price I'm setting to beat my AA!! I don't like the all-in on the K89/2-suited board and I refer to your book on the sections "Don't Fear The ...." pages 28 thru 38! On the other hand, anytime a limper calls a healthy pfr I immediately suspect a pocket pair and here we have the Big Blind also flatting a pfr so we have 2 possible pocket pairs but more hopefully KQ or KJ - possibly suited although UTG could have pfr a suited king connector so that's less likely (to me at least). A hidden set by either the BB or UTG will almost always check to the pf raiser for a ck-r! By going all-in I have no exit strategy AT ALL although it's going to be tough getting away from a check-raise anyway. But equally important to my thinking is by going all-in I remove the chance for a KJ, KT hand to ck-raise me! I favour a 3/4 - pot size bet on this board that tells any draws out there 'your not going to get proper odds but come along if you want' and looks somewhat weak to a Kx hand - like your trying to take the pot on the flop so must have misssed flop. Where I would move all-in would be on a 2 suited or 3 suited board with broadway str8s possible - Kd-9s-Jd Example 2 - has become a standard in my playbook - from the blinds especially but also from the Button in a heavily limped in pot. Example 1 – I agree the pf raise was too small for this level (15/30) and would prefer the raise in the 250-300 range. You want to spec a limping hand – this is the price I’m setting to beat my AA!! I don’t like the all-in on the K89/2-suited board and I refer to your book on the sections “Don’t Fear The ….” pages 28 thru 38! On the other hand, anytime a limper calls a healthy pfr I immediately suspect a pocket pair and here we have the Big Blind also flatting a pfr so we have 2 possible pocket pairs but more hopefully KQ or KJ – possibly suited although UTG could have pfr a suited king connector so that’s less likely (to me at least). A hidden set by either the BB or UTG will almost always check to the pf raiser for a ck-r! By going all-in I have no exit strategy AT ALL although it’s going to be tough getting away from a check-raise anyway.
But equally important to my thinking is by going all-in I remove the chance for a KJ, KT hand to ck-raise me! I favour a 3/4 – pot size bet on this board that tells any draws out there ‘your not going to get proper odds but come along if you want’ and looks somewhat weak to a Kx hand – like your trying to take the pot on the flop so must have misssed flop. Where I would move all-in would be on a 2 suited or 3 suited board with broadway str8s possible – Kd-9s-Jd

Example 2 – has become a standard in my playbook – from the blinds especially but also from the Button in a heavily limped in pot.

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